Discussion

 

“Perhaps you may cite the Wakefield experiment, but we would then have the problem of explaining what exactly happens at the point of discharge, as in that something has to move outwards in two directions from the point of discharge at exactly the moment that the gate is opened. There is no clear picture of what exactly you have in mind that is moving in both directions within the fully charged capacitor.” – David Tombe

Presumably you have not seen http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/9659.jpg

At time to , the switch is closed.

 

Now if, as Tombe suggests, the energy was stationary until time  to,  then we start with a stationary field at to, and the previous two figures should be the same at the one at to. Also, of course, in the first three pictures the yellow and the orange, for instance, are merely one bit of stationary energy

Now since presumably it is accepted that there is no instantaneous action at a distance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_cone ,  the energy to the left of point point D does not know that the switch has closed until t10. So nothing has changed to the left of D during the first 10nsec. So the left hand six rectangles stay stationary, as they were at t0. To the right of D, the energy must be the red and the black, not the red and the orange. The energy to the right of D must be the energy that was there while the field was stationary. It looks as though during the first 10nsec, half of the energy between D and E slid to the right, and the other half remained stationary, while of course the energy between D and A remained stationary.

 

In the stationary field, we have to decide whether to represent the energy which exits between t0 and t10 as red or black. Let us say it is red. Then the black energy remained stationary, but the red suddenly, when the switch closed, went from stationary to travelling at the speed  of light to the right. Then after 10nsec the black energy, which was stationary between E and D, suddenly goes off to the right at the speed of light. Under Tombe, the first block of energy to exit is red, and the second is black. Energy to the left of D could not exit during the first 20nsec, because although it found out that the switch had closed at t10, after 10 nsec, any energy to the left of D would take another 10nsec to reach E and begin to exit. Thus, none of the left hand six blocks of energy exit during the first 20nsec, so the energy which exits during the first 20nsec must be the black and red energy which was to the right of D when the switch closed.

 

After 10 nsec, the message reaches D that the switch has closed.  Now the orange energy suddenly rushes off to the right, and the grey energy remains stationary.

 

To recap, David Tombe is comfortable with the view that energy enters a capacitor at the speed of light; becomes stationary; exits at the speed of light. The results of the Wakefield experiment are oscilloscope traces, but can be translated into the snapshots in http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/9659.jpg . These snapshots were predicted before the experiment was performed, but the results were as predicted.

 

Let us consider the red and black energy. They are stationary. During the first 10nsec, the left hand six blocks of energy remain stationary. Meanwhile, the black and red rearrange themselves so that one is to the right of the other. Then suddenly the black goes from stationary to travelling at the speed of light. What motivated the left hand half of the black to suddenly rush off to the right? This occurred 15nsec after the switch closed, so nothing of significance was happening.

 

Ivor Catt   21 June 2013

 

Note that no one whose career and reputation is wholly or partly based on electromagnetic theory will make any written comment on the results of The Wakefield Experiment. http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf . The only minimal comment comes from such as David Tombe, who have little to lose. At first sight, such as he seem merely a waste of time. However, in the absence of comment by any relevant professional – professor or text book writer, such as Tombe is the only input we have. It is fortunate that he caused me to go through the process of trying to work out how a stationary electric field in a charged capacitor could become a half size, double length pulse as stated in the Tektronix 109 manual. http://ivorcatt.co.uk/x212.pdf . If you read through my attempt, you will come to appreciate that there is no possibility that any “accredited expert” will ever comment in writing on the matter. The problem that the left hand part of the energy does not know that the switch has closed until some time later creates and impossible hurdle for someone defending the idea that a charged capacitor – or piece of charged coaxial cable – contains a stationary electric field. This realisation does not depend on the Wakefield results. Such analysis could have been made at any time during the last 50 years solely on the basis of the Tektronix 109 manual. http://ivorcatt.co.uk/x212.pdf . Where are they?

Ivor Catt  22 June 2013

 

From: Ivor Catt <icatt@btinternet.com>
To: kc3mx <kc3mx@yahoo.com>; Glenn A. Baxter, P.E. <glennbaxterpe@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2013 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: truth

I have now succeeded in downloading the manual. http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x212.pdf

If you look at p72 (or p14?), the first page, of the Wakefield article at http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf you will see quotes from the manual. For some reason quotes from different parts of the manual have been joined together. The first part of the quote is towards the end of page 2-2 (not page 2). The last part of the quote is from half way down the right hand column of page 2-3 . I don’t know at what stage of the editing these two were joined together, and said to be on “page 2”.

 

The 109 is more versatile, and I left out the complication of alternate pulses of different lengths and different voltages, and internal and external voltage supplies which the 109 can use. In any case, Wakefield did not use the 109, because his better, faster, new oscilloscope made it possible to do the expt. without the 109. If you use the internal voltage supply, then the dials are adjusted for you to get the output you want, not the full charging voltage. However, in the case of your using your own voltage supply, Tektronix had to warn that you don’t get the full voltage out, only half.

 

I worked with the 109 for some years, and always saw what the manual said I should see. If you look at Figure 5 of Wakefield, you will see that the original voltage is 8v (4 squares) for a long time. If you look at the second trace of Figure 1, you see the half size double length pulse of 4v (2 squares) coming out.

 

Ivor Catt

 

From: Glenn A. Baxter, P.E.

Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:49 PM

To: icatt@btinternet.com ; glennbaxterpe@aol.com ; kc3mx@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: truth

 

Ivor,

 

Can you tell what page of the Tektronix 109 pulse generator manual that the half voltage, double pulse length experiment is described on?   Thanks.

 

Glenn

;-)Glenn A. Baxter, P.E.
glennbaxterpe@aol.com

 

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I cannot find Harry’s assertion that the idea of a charged capacitor having energy travelling in opposite directions is “metaphysics”, and cannot be observed. However, below is essentially his repeat of the same assertion.

 

From: HARRY RICKER

Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:36 PM

All,
2. The existence of the so called non-steady electric field in a capacitor is counter-intuitive, since it can not be directly observed
Harry

 

 

 

I presume it is agreed that when a capacitor is being charged, the energy approaches the capacitor/transmission line/coaxial cable at the speed of ;light. http://www.ivorcatt.org/icrwiworld78dec2.htm . It should also be agreed that the energy then traverses the coaxial cable at the speed of light.

The Tektronix manual for their 109 pulse generator says that when discharged, the energy exits from the cable at the speed of light, http://www.ivorcatt.org/icrwiworld78dec2.htm , and Wakefield confirms this , http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf .

 

The idea that half way through this process, the energy becomes stationary, is traditional, and has not been proven. In http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x36m.htm , Catt went to great pains to work out the second step, where it is alleged that stationary energy suddenly leaps into life, and travels at the speed of light. Two problems arose.

 

1 The Wakefield results http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x3216.pdf show that the energy was not stationary.

2 Attempts to work out how the stationary energy suddenly travels at the speed of light prove impossible http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x36m.htm .

 

Although the idea of a stationary electric field in this situation is conventional, this should not lead NPA members to give is precedence over the idea that the energy is not stationary. Of all people, NPA members should not dismiss a non-traditional idea as “metaphysics”. We can clearly see that if anything is “metaphysics”, it is the idea that the energy suddenly comes to a halt (regardless of http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/4_1.htm ).

 

I put it to Harry Richer that the idea of stationary energy in the middle of this process is “metaphysics” and unproven. The idea that the energy continues throughout at the speed of light is rational and now proven.

 

http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x36m.htm is the reduction ad absurdum of the stationary field.

 

Ivor Catt

 

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From: Ivor Catt

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:00 AM

To: ....

Subject: reciprocating capacitor

 

Dear Harry,

Last night I discussed the current impasse with my friend John Foggitt.

Below, you wrote; “2. The existence of the so called non-steady electric field in a capacitor is counter-intuitive, since it can not be directly observed”

Your position is generally one of irritation because I criticise you while you believe you are doing all you can to support my work.

 

This morning I started reading my 1995 book http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/em.htm , and found a development of the state of a charged capacitor from first principles all of which you will agree with. The reasoning culminates with Figures 7 and 8, where we have rationally developed from fundamentals all of which you will agree with to “so called non-steady electric field in a capacitor”.

[This is slightly inaccurate. The non-steady charged capacitor does not have an electric field. It has electromagnetic fields.]

Your repeated assertion that the reciprocating model for a charged capacitor “is metaphysics”, and “can not be directly observed” is based on the reigning idea that science is about ”scientific method” – hypothesis, experiment, results, conclusions, or some such. Malcolm Davidson has fallen into the trap of going along with the 20th century idea that that is the sum total of proper scientific activity.

20 years ago, using rational monologue deriving from “facts” all of which you will agree with, I developed the truth about a “steady charged capacitor”. There was no experiment, merely development of scientific theory, or fact, based on logical reasoning beginning with facts all of which you will agree with.

The clear, rational conclusion that in this case a charged capacitor did not have a stationary electric field should lead you to conclude that no charged capacitor has a stationary electric field. That is, you will not go along with David Tolmbe’s recent idiotic view that some charged capacitors have stationary field and others do not – that a capacitor remembers exactly how it was charged.

I fear that, having taken umbrage at my not thinking of you as a full blooded supporter of my work, you will not respond in any way to this email, or at least not in the manner that reason says is necessary. However, to continue.

You write that a “non-steady .... field in a capacitor .... can not be directly observed.”

Somewhere in my books on Forrest’s website, http://www.forrestbishop.4t.com/ , I have complained that the ideas of “mistake” and also of “nonsense” have been excised from the scientific community. I have asked for their reintroduction. For instance, it is a “mistake” for text books to say that the field inside a capacitor is uniform. http://www.ivorcatt.com/3613.htm . The obvious mistake in this statement is demonstrated by rational reasoning, not by experiment. What Malcolm Davidson did not appreciate enough recently is that the demand for “scientific method” and for experimental results has very much a political purpose, to block the very important role in true science of rational thought and dialogue.

Now in my development of the true model for a charged capacitor twenty years ago I used only rational thought and reasoning. This was ignored, so 20 years later I came up with an experiment which proved the same, directed at those, the majority, who have restricted science to “scientific method”. You, Harry Ricker, concentrated on  the experiment. However, the experiment was only necessary because of the current vogue of excluding reason and dialogue from science. Such as Harry should not be trapped in this fashion, and should admit the value of logical reasoning.

However, at this point we come upon a dilemma. The reasoning leading inexorably to a “non-steady field in a capacitor” is at the start of one of my many books on the www. http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/em.htm Harry cannot be expected to have read all my work, even that part of it which is on the www.

In an attempt to encourage people to finally study my massive work over 50 years, I have resorted to dropping my work and concentrating on questions about classical theory, which those whose reputations and salaries are based on electromagnetic theory refuse to comment on. That was the purpose of Wakefield http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf . It should not have been necessary for a “supporter” of my work like Harry. However, if my work is too voluminous and far reaching, so that Harry cannot be expected to read all of it, there is a fundamental dilemma.

It is noticeable that my questions, for in stance “The Catt Question”, http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/cattq.htm , about classical theory are very often thought to be presentations of my theory, which they are not. Similarly, Wakefield is not about my theory, but about classical theory.

Ivor Catt

 

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 From: Ivor Catt

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:40 AM

To: Forrest Bishop

Cc:

Subject: truth

 

It is useful that Forrest repeated the old maxim which is Harry’s – “The truth that there are no truths.” I should have raised this when it came to discovering that Harry was against search after truth.

“The truth that there are no truths” is obviously not intellectually superior to its opposite. “The truth that there are no truths” is dogma, not free thinking.

Although I have promoted Popper, he remains inadequate because he was not a scientist. When a scientist does his duty, which is to search for truth, the one and only truth, he has a good grasp of what is involved. This might relate to the scientist Polanyi when he mentions “the tacit dimension”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_knowledge ; “With tacit knowledge, people are not often aware of the knowledge they possess or how it can be valuable to others”.

“The truth that there are no truths” is a shallow way of discrediting the current corrupted mainstream in science (including Harry) on this point. The real issue goes much deeper. It is a battle for the soul of science, and all that science stood for, before science became professional and the existing body of knowledge had to be protected, by such spurious ideas like “The truth that there are no truths”. If the new theory is not true either, then why should we professors discard our lecture notes and text books?

 

The idea that members of NPA should value and encourage each other’s theories is superficially attractive. However, this kind of idea led to the abortion of “wave-particle duality”, a political quick fix to keep everyone on board. It covered up the fact that anomalies in theoretical framework were unresolved. Similarly the Uncertainty Principle.

 

The political use of “The truth that there are no truths” is extremely damaging and close to home. The man in the UK government who promoted Catt invention, at serious cost to himself in his career in government, (leading to three government funded research projects into Catt invention in British Universities) was approached by me and my co-authors when we could not publish our theories. As a friend of the next to top man in the British Library, we wanted a quarter of an inch of shelf space in the British Library so that our discoveries would survive when we died. He responded by asking us if we believed that our theories were true.When we answered yes, he would not do anything to get the shelf space and ensure their survival. You will see here the strength of commitment that can be held by such as Belarmino and Harry to “the truth that there are no truths”. It is held passionately.

 

Ivor Catt

 

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From: Ivor Catt

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:20 PM

To: David Tombe ; Malcolm Davidson ; Glenn A. Baxter, P.E. ; kc3mx@yahoo.com ; franklinhu@yahoo.com ; cole@nevis.columbia.edu ; dgsasso@alice.it ; odomann@yahoo.com ; pnoble@vermontel.net ; the.volks@comcast.net ; david@dehilster.com ; npercival@snet.net ; almcd999@earthlink.net ; palasija@gmail.com ; don@shoestringscience.com ; gravity@extinctionshift.com ; ian.cowan@nsai.ie ; rarydin@earthlink.net ; bill.lucas001@gmail.com ; Forrest Bishop ; jarybczyk@verizon.net ; cowani@eircom.net ; baugher.3@wright.edu ; smalik@uri.edu ; hatchronald@johndeere.com ; peterkohut@seznam.cz ; thenarmis@gmail.com ; institute@k1man.com ; npa-relativity@googlegroups.com ; echoshack@gmail.com

Subject: Re: The Catt Question

 

Malcolm,

Obviously you and I have an option. Either we walk away from electromagnetic theory, or we carry on.

You have recently said you do not believe what I think, that 30 or 40 years from now it will be obvious that science has ground to a halt. At that point, I think, my research into behaviour in around 2013 will be very valuable information for the inquest.

Nobody whose reputation and salary is fully or partly based on electromagnetic theory will communicate anything as to the detail of their theory. Thus we are left with a very small number of people who have less to lose.

Now we find that Glenn Baxter, Harry Ricker, David Tombe, with the best will in the world, cannot distinguish between (1) questions about classical theory http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/cattq.htm , http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x22j.pdf (2)  experimental results which seem to undermine classical theory http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x343.pdf and (3) attempts to communicate new theory http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/x311.htm .

 

I think it follows that no professor or text book writer can make the distinction in his mind. They are much more motivated to be unable to make the distinction than are GB, HR, DT.

 

It is this kind of discovery that is so valuable, or will be valued during the inquest 30 or 40 years from now. (However, you believe there will not be such an inquest.)

 

Go to http://www.ivorcatt.com/28anomp.htm and search for  The Conquest of Science”

. Note that there I flag up Harry Ricker’s support of the church against Galileo as being of primary concern. “According to the instrumentalist view, the validity or falsity of a theory has no importance. All that matters is its usefulness as an instrument for predicting practical results.”

 

Unlike you, I find this research fascinating. I also think it is very important.

 

Ivor Catt